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Our blog posts about the Fraternity of Saturn from a few weeks, especially this

"zombification" of politics by Okkultlogen? (01/28/2011)

and this

"What do you think of human sacrifice?" (10/02/2011)

have caused quite a stir. First, we responded on 12 February, a former member of the Lodge Fraternity of Saturn that is very much under the name "Cassiel" on the net, writes see

An ex-member writes us boxes (16/02/2011)

Although we have cited in the two aforementioned articles only things that are claimed for many months on the net about these Masonic Lodge (or Masonic-like box), without that we would do somewhere met with counter-statements, we have yesterday on same day, letters from two people this box (obtained from a "Grand Master", the first only for himself and one other person, the representative wrote to the Fraternity of Saturn products) that we "slander" and "violating the media law" .

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then we did yesterday - in particular also because we do not like this at other places (possibly sensibly) takes to write under a pseudonym - past the first two posts slightly revised. In particular, therefore, to allow the current members of the Fraternity of Saturn, at ease with us to enter into a public discussion about the many allegations. The private e-mail exchange in which we are currently with them, we considered not very purposeful, especially since the e-partners do not publish their letters.

While we are still in this email exchange stand, we are discovering that yesterday 2/27/2011 another highly interesting extremely critical, and we have been published corroborating opinion on our contributions to Okkult.info,

to info-warrior review (02/27/2011 )

also a former member of the Fraternity of Saturn boxes. We come at the end of this paper back to this but want to quote excerpts from the first e-mail exchange, so far as it relates to the responses on our part.

Subject: RE: - Massive calumnies on your blog -
Date: Saturday, 26 February, 2011 18:32 clock

Dear Mr. ABC, sir, "Grand Master" (!!!),

I'm probably not the right place, at the picture that has emerged on the Internet from you to correct. I brought only a very few quotes from the allegations that are distributed over the Internet from you. My blog has a comments feature that any time you can spread your view of things on my blog.

happy I am also your letter and my answer this in a separate post on my blog. Please notify us if you would like.

Lord ...: I HATE secret societies. And I trust them to every conceivable evil. EACH. After all, I have read in recent days and weeks. In my opinion, all secret societies be banned. Even the Jesuit Order. By participating in secret societies is to blame, but what if the people so "gullible" and keep the monster of him to be reasonable.

Sit just as I and others for the abolition of all secret societies, to detect all hidden, then you are in me forever and always find an ally.

I check not able to agree whether the allegations made about you or not. How can they be so totally baseless, I wonder if in the book "indictment unwanted" just the case of a Berlin survivors of ritual violence is treated. Similarly, in "Our Father in hell" reports on the Berlin Allereschlimmste. Should they all be secret societies that inevitably come under suspicion here MUST necessarily mobilizing their courage for the investigation of these crimes, should they request it in the public prosecutors' offices for prosecution. I know.

you will still have options. The theme of ritualistic violence must in my opinion are discussed as well as publicity last year of sexual violence in church Facilities. Solve your Fraternitas Saturnis on, which I've read anything at any point, what they would do to positive in the world.

In what tradition is this secret society! And what is spread all over your peers in the network (...)! Ralph Tegtmeier And his co-author Betty Tegtmeier moved sadomasochistic literature. (...)

With kind regards.

PS: (...) why not enjoy a similar page on how Okkult.info. I would like to know from the fact that the charges against you and against the Fraternity Saturnis subject of extensive police and prosecutorial investigations. That was how I express explain the claim that I have raised in my posts.

Subject: RE: - Massive calumnies on your blog -
Date: Sunday, 27 February, 2011 20:50 clock

Dear Mr. ABC,

's My Name "Bading", not "Balding". (I hope not, that you associate with my name any mythological figure. About a demon or the like.)

I find it very regrettable that you do not even want to take my statement position.

I have two posts in which your name was mentioned, now again revised. I repeat: even before I put up no allegations about you, but only informed that be such statements made about you. So I do not know if I would have to change my text at all obliged.

Please look through the lyrics and tell me if you think I would have failed at any point to your detriment of any law. (Please cite the exact phrase, or exact rates.)

And maybe you or another member of the Fraternity Saturnis to this revision have now feel like the other misconceptions I think its possible for me in my posts have brought guilty to take a public position.

There is in my opinion, definitely not enough discussion takes on ritual violence in Germany. Who if not you could change this? How do you feel about the reports in the "Our Father in Hell", "Isis, the Queen of the Night", "Four years of hell and back" and similar books? And what do you suggest what to do about it, that such crimes continue to happen in Germany?

Yours.

Subject: Re: violation of the Media Act
date: Sunday 27 February, 2011 21:14 clock

Dear Mr. XYZ,

They relate to a post that includes the expression of about 8 pages. Unfortunately, you do not share with concrete, on which comments you refer precisely in this 8-page article.

We just have slightly revised the article to meet speculated change requests. If you have any requests for changes, please inform but please be as specific and accurate as possible.

Moreover, our blog as a comment at any function in which a different view of things than the blog post given, can be communicated. We hold ourselves and our opinion is not sacrosanct and understand our contributions as a discussion stimulus.

You may have such an open discussion after the review of the contribution made easier.

Yours.

Subject: RE: - Massive calumnies on your blog -

Date: Monday, 28 February, 2011 10:21 clock

Dear Mr. ABC,

the most essential thing to me would be that we lead the discussion that we are conducting public. (...)

just discover I am being charged on Okkult.info further serious accusations.

So first of all: If you write me privately and I can not quote me on that, helps me and we can not do much more. Please respond publicly to the accusations for months, not only since my posts are visible worldwide. That is the issue adequately. Finally, there are huge accusations.

And here are word against another's. I do not know what to expect from me "as a historian," how am I supposed to reach a critically balanced verdict. Just because the allegations are enormous, and therefore need not be untrue.

Before I review the

"zombification" of politics by Okkultlogen?

wrote on 1/28/2011, I simply had zero idea of Satanism, ritual rape, etc. pp. Even though I have been following for example the debate on sexual violence in church institutions in the last year intensive. In view of what I have now read in the literature and the web of ritual violence, see my reading list

sources regarding Satanism and Okkultlogen

Do I assume that there is still much more than with respect to the incidents in the Catholic Church is a taboo subject is very blatantly.

If you perform well anywhere ever only begin to want something of you already know of criminal activity, report of which several others that you obviously know personally, quite naturally, then, tell me your first, what do you think of such a literature such as "Our Father in hell." You must have an opinion about it. And you must surely be a concern with what is there described, to be served not even begin to name.

Yours.

Where previously the email exchange, as has been done, at least from our side. We feel a little like "lone wolf" otherwise than through pseudonyms on these matters will be taken. Also we feel on this issue - as survivors of ritual violence itself - abandoned by the state authorities a little down. - - -

Finally, we want to publish the most significant excerpts from the new post on Okkult.info of "Proserpo" quite obviously in response to our contributions, namely " to info-warrior review "(02/27/2011) quote here (without correction of spelling, emphasis not in original):

to review the info warrior on the net. Anyone with a bit of history has occupied the Fraternity of Saturn is that this organization to know Masonic principles-based. Both the ritual structure of the ritual as well as the so-called General Logentapis are Masonic. Also, the degree system with its 33 degrees is borrowed from the Masonic. The box itself as elitist, and it spoken often about politics in lodge meetings and the impact on social processes name. Act is set out in the lodge the lodge members who have resigned in any case may be contacted more. The high degree of the Fraternity of Saturn are continuous with members of the upper social stratum occupied. Such as doctors, lawyers, bankers and researchers. (...) Another example of the integration in higher circles, the former chief prosecutor Hartmuth Benz (Master Janus), it has excellent connections in Berlin government circles. Even in Berlin, he is the resident conductor of the Berlin Oriental (Lux Borealis) in the temple in the 12th Street Becker In the basement there are regular every 3 Saturday rituals take place. The house itself is owned by the Berlin artist peer Wredenhagen (Lodge Name: Hagen), who also holds a master degree in the Lodge. (...) We have recently read the topic on a page of information war, and we can confirm his suspicions so far, it probably links to a conspiracy could give. However, it is not even most masters within the Fraternity of Saturn is possible to get all the information on this Order. The degree system is still divided into a second unofficial hierarchy, which we know is that some of the lodge expelled champion with whom we are in close contact, had access to the innermost circle. The innermost circle is known as so-called "spearhead". This vanguard is led by the so-called inner and secret triangle. This triangle is directly linked to another organization, which will be the chosen ones (also known as the Immortals) Date. From the outside raises the Fraternity of Saturn as a completely normal interest in the Community; atrium of the lodge as an interesting melting pot for people interested in the occult, the master circuit is then even more clearly what it is all about ... . Those former members who were expelled or resigned under threat after they leave and you make them with telephone terror. A champion has been beaten by a gang of thugs hospital. The Fraternity of Saturn with its Logenegregor GOTOS, will change the world. She wants, as will be announced in their general ritual lead in the ice-clear amphora of Saturnian Uranian era. The old man is to be destroyed to create space for the new. We believed from the depths of ignorance, the lies of the Brotherhood of God, "said Grand Master. Immanuel. . And yet we have served the dark Demiurge. The enemy in the world. But it is never too late to turn back to serve the humanity really.

The last sentence, we would like to agree wholeheartedly. (But now please do not arrive with a laughing and saying they had been practicing black magic, and would be starting to practice now white magic. Magic is nonsense and not a service to humanity, but also leads to deterioration and weakness of will. And please, from now on stop all secrecy.) But this particular set

However, it is not even the most masters within the Fraternity of Saturn possible to get complete information about these orders,

could be many "excuse", even those who have sent us letters and tell , they would be aware of any criminal activity. But these things have to be discussed. Who will not discuss it behaves in practice like a secret society, although he claims to belong to none.

What is a "Logenegregor" is? - The special language of the Fraternity of Saturn

What a "Logenegregor" is? we just ask in consternation. Just a typing error? And learn to Wikipedia :

egregore (alternatively Eggregore, Egregora) is in some occult teachings for a term created by thought and will-power entities or delusions as opposed to being designed to be understood as created by God. The term core is going to be used as a western counterpart of the Tibetan term Tulpa.

A spiritual being is known within the magical tradition as egregore or as a force field. Egregore is synonymous with the individual characteristics of a group (group soul). Magical communities speak of their group egregore that will radiate to others. Magical groups consciously work on the production of their egregore. He was being controlled by their leaders and would help them to magical operations. (...)

The term originated in the Fraternity of Saturn. He is in the modern esoteric literature in part in another sense. The term is mainly used in the current usage of trailers magical societies around the Fraternity of Saturn and other magical working lodges.

That would be part of a such "own" language, for many psycho-sects are known. This "group soul" of the Franternitas Saturni us is in any case until further over very scary .... Us is just the thought: "Scientiology" Everyone is talking about and is considered critical, even in employment contracts must sign that you do not you belong. And the Fraternity of Saturn is to take virtually no critical information to the public?

has also been written to us, the Fraternity of Saturn would be only a little sad club of 50 members. Yes, what? And this sad little club manages to coin new terms that are not deleted from Wikipedia? Such an association would they also belong to times ...